Horn Bow built-in Sundering capabilities - Guild Wars Forums

heppy · Feb 18, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

So with the the horn bow is the armor penetration is 10%, but what is the chance? Is it a 10% chance just as the bow string mod, or is it some sort of permanent 10%, every arrow carries a 10%? Also the you can not stack the armor penetrating correct, gain 20% AP with the addition of 10% string?

Retribution X · Feb 18, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

the 10% ap is built in. and no, they don't = 20%, they would equal 19%.

heppy · Feb 18, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47

so the 18% (which i don't understand exactly) would be adding to the base damage of EVERY arrow?

Batou of Nine · Feb 18, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

I am not sure what Retribution X meant by the 18%. But this is how it works to my knowledge::

The Hornbow has an inherent mod of +10% Armor Penetration. This is always active, and affects every arrow you fire. If you were to add a +10% AP (10% Chance) bow string, they would both work; seperatly however. You could say the AP stacks, but technically they work on their own properties. the inherent +10% AP is always active, yet the bow string would only work 10% of the time. So once the 10% chance kicked in, then in essence you would have 20% AP on that shot. (Btw, i may be wrong about the 10% always active on the hornbow, i say this according to experience and friends who also see it as such)

Perhaps Retribution X is referring to is the Armor Penetration Cap. I do not know the AP limit, but perhaps 18% is the most you can have at any time. That is the only thing i am not too sure about...

enjoy.

Retribution X · Feb 18, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

no. sorry, it's only 19% ap. they multiply, not add. in essence, when it kicks, well, here's the math.

Base 85 al.
85- 76.5-
85 x 0.1 = 8.5 = 76.5 x .1 = 7.65 = 68.85

68.5/85 = 19%.

Oronar · Feb 18, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

My understanding is the chance doesn't stack but the effect does. So if the natural 10% sundering on horn bows affects 100% of the shots you take, the only thing left to chance is the 10% chance for 10% more ap. This would mean 10% of your attacks would have 20% ap, while the remaining 90% of attacks would do only 10% ap.

Retribution X · Feb 18, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oronar

My understanding is the chance doesn't stack but the effect does. So if the natural 10% sundering on horn bows affects 100% of the shots you take, the only thing left to chance is the 10% chance for 10% more ap. This would mean 10% of your attacks would have 20% ap, while the remaining 90% of attacks would do only 10% ap.

10% of your attacks would have 19% armor pen.

Math is posted above.

Caelus The Fallen · Feb 18, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Retribution X is right, I dont understand why so many people repeatedly fail to understand compound percentages.
Yuor build it mod will remove 10% of their armour; then, if it triggers, sundering will remove 10%... BUT they only have 90% armour at this stage, so its 10% of 90% that gets removed, ie 9%. Total loss is therefore 10% + 9% =19%.

Oronar · Feb 18, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Yes, that makes sense. I misunderstood what Retribution X was trying to say.

Feb 18, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31	#1
heppy Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Death Kittens Profession: R/E	Horn Bow built-in Sundering capabilities So with the the horn bow is the armor penetration is 10%, but what is the chance? Is it a 10% chance just as the bow string mod, or is it some sort of permanent 10%, every arrow carries a 10%? Also the you can not stack the armor penetrating correct, gain 20% AP with the addition of 10% string?

Feb 18, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33	#2
Retribution X Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Check behind you again. Profession: N/	the 10% ap is built in. and no, they don't = 20%, they would equal 19%. Last edited by Retribution X; Feb 18, 2006 at 09:12 PM // 21:12..

Feb 18, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11	#5
Retribution X Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Check behind you again. Profession: N/	no. sorry, it's only 19% ap. they multiply, not add. in essence, when it kicks, well, here's the math. Base 85 al. 85- 76.5- 85 x 0.1 = 8.5 = 76.5 x .1 = 7.65 = 68.85 68.5/85 = 19%. Last edited by Retribution X; Feb 18, 2006 at 09:18 PM // 21:18..

Feb 18, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47	#3
heppy Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Death Kittens Profession: R/E	so the 18% (which i don't understand exactly) would be adding to the base damage of EVERY arrow?

Feb 18, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59	#4
Batou of Nine Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California, USA Guild: Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T") Profession: Mo/E	I am not sure what Retribution X meant by the 18%. But this is how it works to my knowledge:: The Hornbow has an inherent mod of +10% Armor Penetration. This is always active, and affects every arrow you fire. If you were to add a +10% AP (10% Chance) bow string, they would both work; seperatly however. You could say the AP stacks, but technically they work on their own properties. the inherent +10% AP is always active, yet the bow string would only work 10% of the time. So once the 10% chance kicked in, then in essence you would have 20% AP on that shot. (Btw, i may be wrong about the 10% always active on the hornbow, i say this according to experience and friends who also see it as such) Perhaps Retribution X is referring to is the Armor Penetration Cap. I do not know the AP limit, but perhaps 18% is the most you can have at any time. That is the only thing i am not too sure about... enjoy.

Feb 18, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51	#6
Oronar Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2005	My understanding is the chance doesn't stack but the effect does. So if the natural 10% sundering on horn bows affects 100% of the shots you take, the only thing left to chance is the 10% chance for 10% more ap. This would mean 10% of your attacks would have 20% ap, while the remaining 90% of attacks would do only 10% ap.

Feb 18, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24	#8
Caelus The Fallen Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Glasgow Guild: Voice of the Darkness Profession: E/Mo	Retribution X is right, I dont understand why so many people repeatedly fail to understand compound percentages. Yuor build it mod will remove 10% of their armour; then, if it triggers, sundering will remove 10%... BUT they only have 90% armour at this stage, so its 10% of 90% that gets removed, ie 9%. Total loss is therefore 10% + 9% =19%.

Feb 18, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39	#9
Oronar Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2005	Yes, that makes sense. I misunderstood what Retribution X was trying to say.